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Most traders stick with the basic Fibonacci series of numbers. It might be argued that adding more numbers to the mix will only serve to make the techniques too complicated, and there is a lot to be said for keeping the game plan simple.

Fibonacci Numbers

Most traders stick with the basic Fibonacci series of numbers. It might be argued that adding more numbers to the mix will only serve to make the techniques too complicated, and there is a lot to be said for keeping the game plan simple. On the other hand, a simple plan that everyone else can also see is likely to have some serious noise. By noise I mean you will likely see a lot of price fluctuation in the area of the trigger. I try to strike a balance between just the basics and too much.

 

First, I’d like to examine two very commonly used ‘Fibonacci’ numbers, the .500 and the 2.000. As noted, before, these aren’t ‘true’ Fibonacci numbers, but are numbers often used in trading plans that use the Fibonaccis. I began to wonder if there were numbers in these areas that could be derived directly from Phi (the Golden ratio), or from phi (the reciprocal of the Golden ratio).

 

Recall from Chapter 1 that we derived the .382 by squaring the .618. Next, I tried multiplying this .382 (which is .618 times .618) by .618 again. This gave me .236, a number I recognized. In my vast reading on Fibonacci in trading I had seen the .236 used fairly frequently. See figure 6.1

 


 

In deriving the .382 and the .236, then, all we are doing is taking additional .618 ratios of the .618 starting point. From here I took the square root of this .236 I had just derived and I got .486.

 

Now, this was very close to .500 and was derived directly from Phi. For those inclined towards math, this route was essentially   ,or the square root of .618 cubed. I continued to play on my calculator, looking for other routes to get this same number. As mentioned before, there is usually a multiplicity of ways to get these numbers. They seem to interrelate with each other like some giant web. This added credence, to me, that these numbers weren’t just some random creation.

 

At this point I wondered what the .618 of the .786 would be, so I tried that. Bamm, there’s the .486 again. Now I was sure this was very closely tied in with the common Fibonacci numbers. For my purposes, I had my Fibonacci ‘50% retracement’ number.

 

Next, I wanted the number that would correspond with the 2.000. Since the 2.000 is the reciprocal of the .500, I just flipped the .486 over and got 2.058.



I now had the Fibonacci number for the 2.000 external retracement. I would guess more than a few readers are saying, ‘But those are so close, what does it matter?’

 

In actual trading reality, it may not. Or it may be that those trades that overshoot the 2.000 (because of stop gunning, or too many traders piling on, or whatever) may go right to the 2.058. And trades that fall shy of the .500, may be stopping right on the .486. Regardless of whether or not this small amount is truly important, I wanted to work with numbers derived directly from Phi. See figures 6.2 and 6.3.

 





 

Notice, in figure 6.3, before we move on, how choppy SBUX trades. It tested the $19.60 retracement area twice before finally going up and testing the $24.17 area, again twice, before finally reversing trend. This could be quite a challenging stock to trade.

 

Now, here comes one of my best discoveries. In meetings with Scott Carney over at Harmonic Trader, he was showing me patterns that consistently went through the .786 by a fairly regular amount. We saw this over and over, and I began to wonder if there might not be a Phi derived number in that area. I actually stumbled on it fairly quickly once I began playing with my calculator, something I probably should be embarrassed to admit I do regularly.

 

I noted to myself that .786 was the square root of .618. So I took the square root of .786. I figured if taking the square root of the .618 was a valid concept, then taking the square root of the . 786 (essentially the fourth root of the .618), was just as valid. The number came up, .88665... Technically if you round it up it would be .887. Truncated it was .886, and that was easier to remember because it ‘rhymed’ with the familiar .786. Hence the ‘886’ was born.

 

I then went to many of the charts Scott and I had looked at and 1o and behold they were stopping on the .886 with near exact precision. I was quite astounded how precise it was. I looked at many more charts and the .886 seemed to be a very significant number. Since I discovered this number Scott has went on to develop a pattern around it and I am working on a pattern where this number is critical. See figures 6.4 and 6.5.

 




 

Hopefully, figure 6.5 is clear enough to follow, as it shows two successive .886 retracements.

 

I feel the .886 is the most significant number in my arsenal at this time. This significance may be because it is still a fairly new and unknown number (at least until this book gets out!). Or it may be because the .786 has gotten to be so well known that if the .786 is overshot it will wind up at the .886. I don’t know if this is why the .886 seems so significant, nor do I care why it may be. All I care is that, for my own trading purposes, I want to add it to the mix when appropriate. See figures 6.6 and 6.7, with explanations.

 


 

Here we have a strong gap up reversal and we are watching the .786 as a possible stopping point. Let’s look at the next chart to see what actually happened.

 


 

The issue moved right through the .786 and reversed hard right at the .886.

 

Here’s an interesting case, also, of yet one more thing that you may see. Here we have what appears to be a nice .786 reversal. See figure 6.8.

 


 

But look at what happened shortly after this chart was captured. See figure 6.9.



 

The issue reverses and breaks the .786. Now, let’s see how it played out further ahead in time. See figure 6.10.

 


 

It went back to the .886 and put in the final reversal. Sometimes the . 786 simply doesn’t hold, and sometimes it provides a bounce and then is broken after the bounce.

 

Let’s continue on. Since every time I have derived a Fibonacci number I have also calculated its reciprocal, I immediately flipped the .886 over to discover one of the most fascinating things I’ve found since studying the markets: the ‘one one three’.


 

The reciprocal of the .886 is 1.128. Although I’ve tried to keep to three places past the decimal in all my presentations of the Fibonaccis, I’m going to break with that convention here and call this one the 1.13. Now granted, the three decimal places I list for most of these Fibonacci numbers aren’t necessary for trading; that’s more precise than is practical. I think this convention came from starting with the three decimal places in the .618, which has become a quite well known and popularized number.


Although most writers keep it at the .618, a few round to .62. For the 1.272, though, almost all references just go with 1.27. Hence when I derived this 1.13 number (which, in keeping with how all these numbers cross reference, is also the square root of the 1.27), I decided to just round it to two decimal places and go with the 1.13. To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time this number has been quantified.

 

So why was this so fascinating? Well, many, many times I saw the ‘double tops’ and ‘double bottoms’ slightly exceeded, and then tum and rocket off in the opposite direction. This was the so-called ‘shake out’, false breakout, gunning for the stops or whatever one wants to call it. It’s also seen in many popular false breakout strategies. But now I am quantifying it. I found a great deal of these moves that just exceeded the double tops and double bottoms were stopping very near the 1.13.

 

This allowed me to see where a shake out may go. Furthermore, it allowed me to make a judgment as to when I felt that a breakout was a real breakout, or was just a head fake. If I was finding the .886 was the most significant number I was working with, I would have expected the 1.13 to be very significant, too. In practice, I found that the assumption was valid. See figures 6.11 and 6.12.

 


 


 

So at this point we have added the following numbers to our basic numbers:

.236, .486, .886, l.13 and 2.058.

There is one more number I like to use that I haven’t seen in any trading references, although I suspect it has been used here and there. I noticed a fair amount of issues just shy of the 2.000/2.058 area. Again, does this happen for ‘harmonic’ reasons, or because many traders are watching the 2.000 area and are jumping in early, or none of the above? I don’t care. All I care about is trying to determine areas where I tend to see things happen that I feel might help my trading, things that might give me an edge. The reason behind it is of no consequence to my immediate trading. I only harp on this because I want to point out my emphasis is on the chart, not on trying to discover the fundamentals behind the chart. If you feel those fundamental reasons are important for you to know, by all means pursue that. I just prefer to trade off the chart for the most part.

 

I started playing around with different geometric figures that had Fibonacci lengths on them, to see if anything interesting popped out. The most obvious layout to me was a ‘golden’ rectangle, a rectangle whose longer side was 1.618 times the length of its shorter side. As you may recall from our earlier discussion, this is the rectangle that was universally found in studies to be the most pleasing to the greatest percentage of people. So I constructed and labelled a rectangle with the sides of 1.000 and 1.618 and I drew in a diagonal. See figure 6.13.

 


 

I immediately wanted to know what the diagonal length was, so I did some quick high school math and found it was 1.902. Now here was a number that was just shy of the 2.000/2.058 area, and I stumbled upon it quite quickly. I started looking at charts and found this did look like an area I wanted to watch. See figures 6.14 and 6.15.

 


 


 

In doing the high school math to calculate the diagonal, I noticed a few numbers I’d seen before. Here’s the Pythagorean theorem applied to the triangle in figure 6.13 (sorry to all those out there that hated high school math).

 


 
Not only did I get the 1.902 I was looking for, I noticed 2.618 and 3.618.

The 2.618 is a fairly commonly used external retracement. As can be seen from the above derivation, it's just Phi (1.618) squared. I also noticed in my own studies that there may be an area around three and a half or so, and that might be it. These are pretty extreme external retracements, but you do see some extreme moves that come up occasionally. See figures 6.16 and 6.17.

 




 

Let’s add in a few more extreme external retracements while we are in this area, and we’ll sum up what we have and call it quits. I think we have plenty to work with. Notice, up until now, whenever I decided to add a number into the group I also liked to add its reciprocal. This only makes sense: if a number is valid, the number ‘on the other side of 1.000’ should be, too.

 

We haven’t determined what the reciprocal of the .382 is yet, so let’s do that one:



As you guessed, this isn’t a coincidence. We’ve seen that the numbers are frequently derived in multiple ways. So at this point I’m sure I want 2.618 in the group. I also haven’t flipped over the .236:

 

 

Here’s a number you will see in many references, usually as the 4.24. It is also generally the most extreme external retracement I will look at. See figure 6.18.

 


 

Now we have all the Fibonacci numbers we need for our group, and all the numbers are matched with their reciprocals. I’m sure you are glad to be done with all that, but I’ll have to disappoint you temporarily, as I want to add three more numbers into the group. First, I want to add in a non-Fibonacci number, but one we know is related to Fibonacci, as we discussed earlier. I want to add in pi (π): 3.14. I’ll just use two decimal places, since that’s how it is referred to most often. I first learned about this one from Scott Carmey. He’s used it quite a bit in his book, and especially on his website with some of his new patterns. See figures 6.19 and 6.20.

 




 

Second (do you believe me this time?), I want to add in 2.236, frequently rounded to 2.24. This number is the square root of 5. Recall how, way back, we started out with Phi, the golden ratio, and the formula was the square root of 5 plus 1, all divided by 2. I’ll leave it as an exercise for the reader to see if he or she can show whether the 2.236 is a ‘true’ Fibonacci number, or not. Lastly, let’s flip this one over to get .447, and stop there. If I don’t stop now,

I may just keep adding them on and lose the rest of my readers. See figures 6.21 and 6.22.

 




 

Let’s sum up our rather extensive list of numbers:

 

0.236, .382, .447, .486, .500, .618, .786, .886, 1.000, 1.13, 1.272,

1.618, 1.902, 2.000, 2.058, 2.236, 2.618, 3.14, 3.618, and 4.236.

 

I would like to add one final comment before we proceed to the next chapter. The use of the square root of2 (which equals approximately 1.414), and its reciprocal (approximately .707), have become increasingly popular to use in the same manner as the Fibonaccis. I do see a lot of moves that turn right on these numbers. Now, again, I don’t know if this is due to the increasing popularity of these numbers, or the fact that they lie right in between the .618/.786 and 1.272/1.618 areas, and are logical spots for overshoots. Or is it for another reason? I can’t say. I only know they are numbers that seem to be points at which a move may tum.

 

For now, I won’t add these in, or we will have so many numbers they will begin to lose any sense. I merely wanted to point them out so that the reader will be aware of them, and can do further research if so inclined. I will say that I have found two Fibonacci derived numbers that are very close to these two ‘square root of two’ numbers. I may present the numbers in future material, but the dilemma is certainly arising about how many numbers are practical to work with.



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